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T O P I C R E V I E WAstro keenIt seems to me that asking for readings constantly on how a person feels about you, how he thinks, or his motivations, how he would respond to your messages, or may do, etc. is an obsession that is akin to stalking. I say stalking because it involves constant 'watching', even if that person is not being harassed in any way. The frequency of readings that I refer to would be every day for several months. (I came close to doing this for a few days myself, so I know what I speak of). The interest can be so consuming that it puts an end to leading an independent life - you live for another, that person fills a void in your own life.Perhaps it could be viewed in a more positive light as an irresistible fascination, a karmic link that draws you inexorably towards another. Sure, you could depict it in more palatable terms, but getting readings obsessively on one person is not a pretty thing. It is inimical to your self esteem.Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?This bears thinking about - therefore, there is an added responsibility towards both people on one who provides the readings.Any thoughts on the above?GeminiKarat quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?Yes you do connect to the "other" person without permission in my personal opinion. Some of those people feel that as an attack and build up a barrier. Any question about me will not be answered that way in an honest and correct way or will be blocked in a different way. St@r2013I never thought about the other side... I think that the side that keeps asking is getting themselves stuck by asking so much - it's like being in a constant loop and you can't get out of it because you spend so much energy on it, instead of letting things happen and letting go... Also, I think when someone keeps asking about the same person many readers will actually pick up the emotions and feelings of the person asking. vestaEdited Astro keen quote:Originally posted by St@r2013:I never thought about the other side... I think that the side that keeps asking is getting themselves stuck by asking so much - it's like being in a constant loop and you can't get out of it because you spend so much energy on it, instead of letting things happen and letting go... I agree. However, it is said to affect both sides. I had a very powerful clairvoyant tell me that not letting go prevents the flow of energy and keeps things static. Letting go from your side allows the other person to come forward - he/she feels less threatened energetically. This is a very important point. This echoes what Geminikarat said above.If seen from the LOA viewpoint - constant readings are also an expression of your negativity or lack of trust in your destiny.St@r2013 quote:Originally posted by Astro keen: I agree. However, it is said to affect both sides. I had a very powerful clairvoyant tell me that not letting go prevents the flow of energy and keeps things static. Letting go from your side allows the other person to come forward - he/she feels less threatened energetically. This is a very important point. This echoes what Geminikarat said above.If seen from the LOA viewpoint - constant readings are also an expression of your negativity or lack of trust in your destiny.That's true, you reminded me something a psychic also told me that because I think about my ex and my energy is so powerful he thinks about me too (although you can say he moved on, he's married and we haven't been in touch for years) and I wasn't asking about him that often but I did think about him often and that was also strong enough for him to think about me... so by me not letting go I was making him not let go either... mztinyha! I was just asking about this in another thread. This is a very interesting discussion. I had been "stalking" someone (asking how he feels about me too often). I felt like my guides stop telling me what "he" feels and would just tell me how "I" feel. I have come to conclude that the spirits only give you information if and only if it has a direct effect on you. A medium told me many times before when I would see her and ask question. She would say "that's all they want you to know". Astro keenJust wanted to reiterate something that we have discussed above. This is what a very wise clairvoyant explained.When you concentrate on someone obsessively, you are energetically preventing their energy from flowing in a natural way. This may be because of the blockages which you pose, or the fact that your concentrated interest (you clinging to them in your thoughts) sends out the wrong energetic signals. So, it actually prevents the very things that you are hoping will develop. What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.GeminiKarat quote:Originally posted by mztiny:I have come to conclude that the spirits only give you information if and only if it has a direct effect on you. A medium told me many times before when I would see her and ask question. She would say "that's all they want you to know". I will third that. GeminiKarat quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.I like those ideas. LeeLoo2014I like how you coined this I think there's nothing wrong in being always connected with someone through love in everything you do, as long as you DO things which are you and what you want to share with them; a creative connection; and not the "obsessive loop": a connection that makes you "sit still" or doing the same unfruitful thing over and over again, such as drawing cards about them.It's funny that by doing this, the creative connection, between them and the higher you, you soon realize if they are the right person or not, they sort of disperse naturally, if they are not. Illusion is no longer possible with creation and identity ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...RandallInteresting concept.tgem quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:I like how you coined this I think there's nothing wrong in being always connected with someone through love in everything you do, as long as you DO things which are you and what you want to share with them; a creative connection; and not the "obsessive loop": a connection that makes you "sit still" or doing the same unfruitful thing over and over again, such as drawing cards about them.It's funny that by doing this, the creative connection, between them and the higher you, you soon realize if they are the right person or not, they sort of disperse naturally, if they are not. Illusion is no longer possible with creation and identity What do you mean by "creative" Leeloo? Can you give some examples?What about dreams?ikja quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Just wanted to reiterate something that we have discussed above. This is what a very wise clairvoyant explained.When you concentrate on someone obsessively, you are energetically preventing their energy from flowing in a natural way. This may be because of the blockages which you pose, or the fact that your concentrated interest (you clinging to them in your thoughts) sends out the wrong energetic signals. So, it actually prevents the very things that you are hoping will develop. What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.I think I experienced this the other day.Everyday now, I'm moving away/giving up on asking questions about my ex. The 1st day I did this and said, 'ok, no more'... He popped back up. He has now gone again; but breaking the cycle is so important. I feel lighter now - concentrating on other things.Astro keenGood going, Ikja! Sometimes you need to be told to stop. Someone needs to snatch the drug out of your hand and dash it to the ground. It can be a relief, to be told you no longer need the fix that you thought you couldn't do without.Recently, Leeloo 'read' that the angels did not want me to have any more readings (even though these weren't very frequent) and I was glad to hear it. I'm sure this will affect the relationship positively, firstly because I am more likely to relate to him in a relaxed and 'normal' way, and also for the reasons mentioned above.LeeLoo2014 quote:Originally posted by tgem: What do you mean by "creative" Leeloo? Can you give some examples?What about dreams?Dreams are spontaneous. I was thinking about living your life fully and doing things you like while thinking of the person, as a way of sharing it with them ------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... LeeLoo's Esotericornertgem quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Dreams are spontaneous. I was thinking about living your life fully and doing things you like while thinking of the person, as a way of sharing it with them hannaramaaI wouldn't liken it to stalking - stalking is by far more accurate than reading Tarot since you are literally watching the person, lol. Tarot provides a relief to anxiety for a lot of people and that's all. It's accurate maybe 50% of the time depending on the reader and if you take into how many people second guess their own readings because they're that emotional invested that decreases accuracy and therefore "watching" even more. Many times I think people are asking out of habit and all genuine curiosity has left their question. They want reassurance, as if they are still connected to the person / situation in question just by getting a theoretical reading regardless if it is actually right or not. That all being noted, there's a rock bottom point for any addiction Tarot or otherwise and it's the reader's responsibility / up to their discretion to decline questions. Astro keenHanna,Yes, constant tarot readings relieve anxiety and provide a connection. Particularly for many whose bfs/gfs are distant and not in touch. It is often an irresistible need for contact that drives you.But, you could also think of stalking fulfilling these needs - the need for a constant connection, even if its entirely one sided, i.e., just watching. It is very hard, indeed, to let go and somehow cope without the anxiety setting in. The dividing line between a healthy connection (where contact with one's partner is a source of great delight) and an unhealthy one is very thin. I like how Leeloo used the term 'creative connection' to distinguish the healthy type.hannaramaaStalking does fulfill a need, I agree, but if Tarot isn't accurate every single time then how can we really say we're "watching" anybody?Astro keenOk, saved by the inaccuracies of readers .EirlysEditing... wasn't finished Eirlys quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?This bears thinking about - therefore, there is an added responsibility towards both people on one who provides the readings.Any thoughts on the above?I have to agree that this kind of obsessive behaviouris akin to stalking, if you're actively trying to accessthe feelings of the subject on a regular basis.Seems invasive because really, at some point,its just not your business, anymore. ------------------Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles. -C Chaplin
Perhaps it could be viewed in a more positive light as an irresistible fascination, a karmic link that draws you inexorably towards another. Sure, you could depict it in more palatable terms, but getting readings obsessively on one person is not a pretty thing. It is inimical to your self esteem.
Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?
This bears thinking about - therefore, there is an added responsibility towards both people on one who provides the readings.
Any thoughts on the above?
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?
Yes you do connect to the "other" person without permission in my personal opinion. Some of those people feel that as an attack and build up a barrier. Any question about me will not be answered that way in an honest and correct way or will be blocked in a different way.
Also, I think when someone keeps asking about the same person many readers will actually pick up the emotions and feelings of the person asking.
quote:Originally posted by St@r2013:I never thought about the other side... I think that the side that keeps asking is getting themselves stuck by asking so much - it's like being in a constant loop and you can't get out of it because you spend so much energy on it, instead of letting things happen and letting go...
I agree. However, it is said to affect both sides. I had a very powerful clairvoyant tell me that not letting go prevents the flow of energy and keeps things static. Letting go from your side allows the other person to come forward - he/she feels less threatened energetically. This is a very important point. This echoes what Geminikarat said above.
If seen from the LOA viewpoint - constant readings are also an expression of your negativity or lack of trust in your destiny.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen: I agree. However, it is said to affect both sides. I had a very powerful clairvoyant tell me that not letting go prevents the flow of energy and keeps things static. Letting go from your side allows the other person to come forward - he/she feels less threatened energetically. This is a very important point. This echoes what Geminikarat said above.If seen from the LOA viewpoint - constant readings are also an expression of your negativity or lack of trust in your destiny.
That's true, you reminded me something a psychic also told me that because I think about my ex and my energy is so powerful he thinks about me too (although you can say he moved on, he's married and we haven't been in touch for years) and I wasn't asking about him that often but I did think about him often and that was also strong enough for him to think about me... so by me not letting go I was making him not let go either...
When you concentrate on someone obsessively, you are energetically preventing their energy from flowing in a natural way. This may be because of the blockages which you pose, or the fact that your concentrated interest (you clinging to them in your thoughts) sends out the wrong energetic signals. So, it actually prevents the very things that you are hoping will develop.
What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.
quote:Originally posted by mztiny:I have come to conclude that the spirits only give you information if and only if it has a direct effect on you. A medium told me many times before when I would see her and ask question. She would say "that's all they want you to know".
I will third that.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.
I like those ideas.
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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:I like how you coined this I think there's nothing wrong in being always connected with someone through love in everything you do, as long as you DO things which are you and what you want to share with them; a creative connection; and not the "obsessive loop": a connection that makes you "sit still" or doing the same unfruitful thing over and over again, such as drawing cards about them.It's funny that by doing this, the creative connection, between them and the higher you, you soon realize if they are the right person or not, they sort of disperse naturally, if they are not. Illusion is no longer possible with creation and identity
What do you mean by "creative" Leeloo? Can you give some examples?What about dreams?
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Just wanted to reiterate something that we have discussed above. This is what a very wise clairvoyant explained.When you concentrate on someone obsessively, you are energetically preventing their energy from flowing in a natural way. This may be because of the blockages which you pose, or the fact that your concentrated interest (you clinging to them in your thoughts) sends out the wrong energetic signals. So, it actually prevents the very things that you are hoping will develop. What could you do instead, apart from breathing deeply ? Try and focus on other interests - a change of scenery could be very good. If there are times during the day when you are particularly vulnerable, then try and fill that time with other things. Get busy, meet friends, take up activities and so on. Spending time in nature, exercise and meditating would help too. The idea is to break the bad habit.
I think I experienced this the other day.Everyday now, I'm moving away/giving up on asking questions about my ex. The 1st day I did this and said, 'ok, no more'... He popped back up. He has now gone again; but breaking the cycle is so important. I feel lighter now - concentrating on other things.
Recently, Leeloo 'read' that the angels did not want me to have any more readings (even though these weren't very frequent) and I was glad to hear it. I'm sure this will affect the relationship positively, firstly because I am more likely to relate to him in a relaxed and 'normal' way, and also for the reasons mentioned above.
quote:Originally posted by tgem: What do you mean by "creative" Leeloo? Can you give some examples?What about dreams?
Dreams are spontaneous. I was thinking about living your life fully and doing things you like while thinking of the person, as a way of sharing it with them
------------------ I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...
LeeLoo's Esotericorner
quote:Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: Dreams are spontaneous. I was thinking about living your life fully and doing things you like while thinking of the person, as a way of sharing it with them
Yes, constant tarot readings relieve anxiety and provide a connection. Particularly for many whose bfs/gfs are distant and not in touch. It is often an irresistible need for contact that drives you.
But, you could also think of stalking fulfilling these needs - the need for a constant connection, even if its entirely one sided, i.e., just watching. It is very hard, indeed, to let go and somehow cope without the anxiety setting in. The dividing line between a healthy connection (where contact with one's partner is a source of great delight) and an unhealthy one is very thin. I like how Leeloo used the term 'creative connection' to distinguish the healthy type.
quote:Originally posted by Astro keen:Apart from the negative impact on your own life, I wonder whether the constant invasion of another's space, telepathically speaking, has an effect on them. Could you be tapping into their energy, for example, or creating mental barriers?This bears thinking about - therefore, there is an added responsibility towards both people on one who provides the readings.Any thoughts on the above?
is akin to stalking, if you're actively trying to access
the feelings of the subject on a regular basis.
Seems invasive because really, at some point,
its just not your business, anymore.
------------------Nothing is permanent in this wicked world; not even our troubles.
-C Chaplin
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